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Trust Your Gut, Girl – Tips for Living Your Wildest Dreams

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You have big dreams buried instead of you. What’s holding you back?

Yes, it’s hard to embrace motherhood and everyone else’s needs while trying to pursue your own dreams.

But my guest Kate is a single mom and took her idea to a product that is now featured in magazines. And you can too.

It’s time to trust your gut and follow your dreams. Check out this inspirational episode with Kate Westad about trusting your gut and following your dreams.

In this episode Kate shares:

  • Her struggles as a solo parent and how it pushed her into chasing her dreams.
  • How she does it all and her thoughts on work-life balance
  • Why it is so important to follow your intuition.
  • What is Palate by Pak and why it is so important that Palate by Pak is sustainable.

Trust your gut girl! Tips for living your wildest dreams

About Kate Westad

Kate Westad the founder of Palette by pak™️ and the inventor of a new to market product called Palette™️ The Original High Fiver.

This litigation attorney and mom of four had been dreaming up inventions for years when she became obsessed with the idea of the High Fiver, a patent-pending, refillable washable, reusable beauty + travel tool for all your goops, glops, and glam!

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Real Happy Mom 0:00
Hey there. I’m Tony and I am a wife and a mom of two little boys. And I’m a general dentist and reservists in the Navy. And I get it when it comes to be a busy working mom. I struggled with the thoughts of feeling like I wasn’t good enough, and losing my identity and motherhood. So I get it. And this is why I created the Real Happy Mom. To be a Real Happy Mom, you have to remain authentic and true to yourself, and you don’t need to be a so called perfect mom. On the Real Happy Mom podcast, we’ll interview real moms to chat about real life experiences. These guests and experts will help you to navigate the motherhood journey by providing answers to your questions and concerns surrounding raising children, cell care competence, and so much more. We’ll have discussions that provide practical tips and resources that you can easily implement into your busy mom life. So if you’re ready to get rid of the overwhelm and start being a Real Happy Mom, join me in the Real Happy Mom

Real Happy Mom 0:52
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Real Happy Mom 0:54
One thing that I found that has been tremendously helpful in making sure that I have the best week possible and eliminate the overwhelming chaos that tends to happen in our busy household is by doing the Sunday prep routine. Now my Sunday prep routine consists of about eight to 11 things depending on what is going on for the week, that are essential things that are going to help get me ready for the week and make sure that my week goes by smoothly. Now you want to get a hold of this and figure out what is she talking about with the Sunday prep routine. You want to go over to Real Happy Mom comm slash Sunday. And there you’ll find a way for you to enter your email so that I can send you my Sunday prep checklist. And in this checklist, outline each thing that you should do on Sunday to make sure that you have the best week ever. These things include getting your week prepared by planning things out, planning out your meals, getting your clothes ready, and so much more. I promise you it sounds like a lot but it only takes about 30 minutes if you really do it right. So go over to Happy Mom comm slash Sunday to get your Sunday prep checklist Again, that’s Real Happy Mom comm slash Sunday. Hey, there I hope you are doing doing well. This is Episode 101 and today I’m going to be talking to Kate. She is the founder of pallet bipac and the inventor of a new market product called pallet the original high fiber. Kay is also a litigation attorney and a mom of four that’s been dreaming up of inventions for years when she became obsessed with the idea of the high fiber, a patent pending, refillable, washable, reusable beauty plus travel tool for all of your groups gloves and glam. Now Kate is going to be talking to us about her struggles as a solo parent and how she was able to push through it and chase her own dreams. She also shares how she does it all and her thoughts on work life balance. But she shares Why is important to follow your intuition. And why it was so important for her to make pallet bipac sustainable. K is so much fun to talk to you. And I’m pretty sure that you are going to get inspired after listening to her. Because I will tell you what I wanted to go out and make something new after talking to Kate. She is truly amazing. And I know that this episode is going to help you a lot. So stay tuned and check out this week’s episode.

Kate 3:24
All right, Kate, welcome to the podcast. I am so happy to have you on today. Thank you so much for having me. I’m just thrilled to be chatting with you.

Real Happy Mom 3:34
Yes. And I know we’re in a unique time right now. And we were just chatting about that before I hit record. But I just love that we get to have these conversations and be real with each other because it is not easy, but we’re making it work. Thank you again for just coming on and just you know, just just letting us know, like we got this. So we have a really fun topic today. And I am super pumped to talk to you about that. But before we jump in, I just want you to tell us a little bit about you and your business.

Kate 4:07
Oh, well, that is something obviously I’d love to I’d love to talk about myself. What I’ve been doing because I’m actually having like the best time in my life. So I’d love to talk about it. Um, so I’m a lawyer. I’m a litigation attorney. I’ve been a litigation attorney for I don’t know what, like over 17 years. I have four kids, I’m an only parent. And so my whole life I kind of had like ideas for business products for inventions. And I you know what, for my 14th birthday was taking a solo trip to Paris, which it didn’t start out that way. Supposed to be a girls trip with one of my law school BFFs and she ended up not being able to come and I was like well Oh, oh no, I’m still going. And while I was you know after a long day of work, and you No spending time with the kids and helping them with their schedules and homework and sports. I sat down to finally pack and I was looking at all my beauty and all my, you know cosmetic items, all the stuff that you really want to take on a on a trip. And I was really like, I really think there just has to be a better way to do this. And in that moment, I could see what is now palette, the original high fiver, which is a refillable, washable, reusable smart beauty tool that you can fill with all your best beauty products and take it with you on the go. And so I could see it the colors, the name, I could see everything so clearly in my mind. And I just became obsessed with it. I couldn’t let it go. And I couldn’t stop thinking about it. And so I set on this path to develop it and invented and patented and watch it into the market. And so now you can buy it. You can buy this thing that I dreamt about just a few years ago, which is kind of crazy when I think about it that way.

Real Happy Mom 6:01
Yeah, it’s so awesome. Because I saw it in a magazine one time I forgot which one because I’m always flipping through things. And I was like, Oh my goodness. Like, yes. Awesome that you can go from a dream to actually living it out and to be in reality. So I’m so happy for you. And yeah, kudos to you on that. That’s a really huge accomplishment.

Kate 6:24
Well, thank you so much. Yeah, we were in women’s health recently. And I totally bares my kids and target 15 of them. And I’m like, Look, I’m in America. Look, your mom’s in a magazine. They’re like, it’s not you. It’s the palette, their digital high five, or mom, or whatever, you know. And so it was for me. Yeah, I get really excited about that stuff. Every time it happens, they hate you so much.

Real Happy Mom 6:52
Yeah, no, definitely. And you kind of mentioned it a little bit when you were sharing your story about how you are a solo parent, but you weren’t always a solo parent. So I just wanted to talk to you about or you share your story about how you became a fellow parent in your biggest struggle that you face as a single mom.

Kate 7:11
Yeah, and I think it’s such an important topic, because I think there are a lot of single moms out there, whether it’s by divorce, and in my case, my my children’s father passed away six years ago. And so you know, certainly a situation you never really see yourself in, and you never really envision especially being an only parent of four, suddenly and tragically. So for me, I think it’s been a journey. But it’s also been one that and of course, I wouldn’t have been able to talk about this for many years after it happened. But I feel like now I’ve gotten to a place and I’ve done so much inner work, and so much, you know, kind of grieving and so much work, you know, through therapy and on my own through spirituality, and have really come to this point of embracing it. And I actually just feel like one of the things I love to talk with people about is just not feeling alone. Like if people think that they’re alone, like, believe me, you are not, you know, there’s other people out there in these situations, and to have, you know, made it work and tried to make the best of it, you know, and tried to learn and grow. And actually, I think in part one of the reasons why I feel like I woke up and kind of took this risk in the sleep is because I had faced that tragedy and had really kind of been through some really dark times. And so I feel like actually, it really aided my path, I’m kind of chasing after my dreams and realizing that anything is possible and that life is so short. And that you have to really, you know, as moms I feel like we tried to really focus on everyone else, which is wonderful. And it’s it’s part of being a mom, but also embracing like your own needs, your own desires and what your own purposes in life. So, you know, I do feel like it’s come full circle for me. And that I I tried to find the gifts and things and I certainly feel like you know, while solo parenting is not for the weak is not for the faint of heart. It is definitely challenging every day. I do try to find the gifts in it.

Real Happy Mom 9:18
Yes, yes. And I was thinking about it too. Before we had talked I was like, man What would I do with these two little boys by myself and and honestly like I believe that you get grace to manage those different situations but it’s just like mind blowing to think about it and to think about the challenges but I love that you said that you’re not alone because that is one thing that I feel like even is a mom that does have the support that sometimes I do feel like I’m by myself but as a solo parent and for you know that it can be challenging, but you don’t feel defeated, like it can’t be done and I love how you’re able to go from that dream to making it a reality here now. With the product that you have, but I’m just wondering, how do you juggle all of this with work and my life?

Kate 10:09
You know, that’s my biggest thing that I love to talk about is that balance, I hate that word. I hate it when people are talking about, oh, you know, you know, let’s work on work life balance in your life, because there is no such thing. Something is always out of whack. Something’s always out of balance. And I don’t mean that a negative way, but in a realistic way. Because I feel like it’s so important as moms to love ourselves, and to have grace for ourselves. And to think like, Okay, if I had to get takeout tonight, or the laundry isn’t done, or this isn’t done like that, to beat yourself up. If someone told me like, early in my career, I think it was a speaker at a law conference, and she was saying, you know, something about, you know, get a cleaning lady, or you need to carve out some of this time for yourself for your own life and your own purposes. Or, you know, even if it’s not a cleaning lady, it’s like, ask a parent or a family member for just two hours a week for help or something. So you can take that time and put it into yourself. Because I feel like otherwise, we are certainly always holding ourselves to this really high standard. And I think we’re not having grace for ourselves. And we’re not taking time for ourselves. And I, I had so many people tell me, like, just wait till your kids are grown, to go and chase this dream. Just wait, wait, and I’m like, I’ll be 60 when that happens, and so I’m supposed to put my life on hold. And I don’t think how and I kept thinking myself, how is that showing my kids that anything is possible? Or that you can you can live in your purpose? Or that you can chase your dreams? How is that showing my kids a good example by putting my needs aside or when I do, I’m dreaming about aside, you know, and putting everything into my kids and my family and ignoring myself. Like that just didn’t resound with me, like that just made the you know, my inner intuition be like, Whoa, let is not just not right. And so is while they were so loving, right and well intentioned, and it’s very practical advice. It just didn’t resound with me. And so, you know, for me, it really, I feel like it’s so important to have grace to feel like life is life, something’s going to be out of balance at all times, and being present. And really just being kind to yourself is so important.

Real Happy Mom 12:35
Yes, yes. You said a lot of things in there that was like, Mm hmm. Because I know that when you’re attending, you know, wait until the kids are owner, like, I heard that too. And I’m like, but wait a minute, wait, how? How am I supposed to do that, like, by the time I’m ready to pursue my dreams, I’m ready to go relax and not do anything. That doesn’t make sense. But yeah, I love that. And I love how you put it in. And you also brought up something else too about your intuition and how you say your intuition was like, I don’t know about that. And I think that is so important, because I feel like as moms, we don’t really pay attention to our intuition. But that’s one thing, even before we started talking that you hadn’t mentioned, to listening to your intuition. So I just wanted you to share with us why it’s so important that we do that. And, you know, some of the benefits of listening to that intuition.

Kate 13:27
I think we are socialized mobili, young age to believe certain things about what being a woman is about what our role in society is, I think we, you know, receive, like, what are appropriate jobs or career paths, or, you know, even within your family structure, you know, like what, you know, the preconceived notion of what your future should look like. I mean, I think kids hear that from a really early age. You know, like, what are appropriate jobs, or like successful jobs or career paths. And I think, you know, I, as I’ve gone along in my spiritual journey, and I’ve really started to feel like come into my own power, and really look at my own, you know, kind of purpose driven dreams. I feel like I am unraveling some of that unlearning, because I kind of laugh because I really do think like getting older and wiser A lot of it is unlearning, like what you were socialized as, as you grew up. And so as I became more into my power, I feel like I could really hear my intuition more. And it would became stronger and louder. And the more that I would follow my intuition in my gut, and I think I had done this on some level my whole life. And I think I had done it obviously with perhaps without knowing with being an attorney, very intuitive, make very intuitive choices can definitely know when, you know, picking someone’s deposition and they’re not being truthful. Or maybe telling them In a better light than they maybe were, but it’s like, the more I sat with myself, and the more I got quiet, and the more, I followed my intuition and made those choices, the happier I was. And the more I felt grounded, and like I was being true to myself. And it’s, and it’s so funny, because coming through this process with pallet bipac, and developing the high fiber, what you start out in the beginning, and you’re you’re naive, you’ve never done this before, but you just have these ideas, you have these thoughts, and you kind of go through it. And then you start talking as you start meeting more people and you start launching because one of the interesting things about patenting something is you can’t tell people about it, right? You can’t just go and tell the world because it has, it can’t be disclosed. So while you’re developing it, it’s very secretive, and very a closed door process. But once you kind of release it into the world, and you start talking to people, you realize, like so many of your choices, were intuitive, and they were spot on, like they were spot on. Now, of course, you have some choices that you’re like, Okay, we’ll do that a little differently next time where I learned from that, but it’s like, so it’s just been really amazing to me to know that like, like, following my intuition was like the number one thing that I did, that I’m so proud of, and that I would tell anyone like starting out in a business, or following their dreams that following your intuition is number one, number one all the way.

Real Happy Mom 16:29
Yes. And I honestly, like a lot of times, I feel like even as moms like we know, in our gut, like what we should do, but we want confirmation, or we want someone else to tell us like, I don’t know how to explain it. But for instance, like our call my best friend to tell her about like something I’m thinking when I know in my head what I need to do, but I just want her to say it to like, you know, agree with me or to not agree with me to talk me out of something. And I love how you say like, you know that intuition is so important. And, and I know you’re living example. And once you you know, trust that intuition, like look at what’s possible, look at the things that you can accomplish.

Kate 17:07
And if I listened to any of those people who are again, loving well, tension, friends, family therapists, professors, whoever they were, you know, if I had listened to them, I wouldn’t have done any of this, which is the funny part. Right? Like, if you if I didn’t follow my intuition, none of this would have happened if I listened to other people, if I cared what they thought, if I listened to the critiques, or the judgments or whatever, if I listened to the noise, and didn’t stay centered and focused on myself, none of this would have happened. And so I think about that a lot. And thinking about how important it is.

Real Happy Mom 17:45
Definitely, definitely, and you brought up some of it too, when you’re talking about developing the product. And I know that there may be some moms who are listening, like, oh, like, that sounds like something really cool. But I’m pretty sure that, you know, there is some challenges that you had to overcome along the way. And I was just wondering if you could just share with us, you know, not necessarily the process. But you know, some of the things that like looking back on it now you’re like, oh, like, That was tough, but I was able to get through it or Ooh, you know, that was a mistake. But I was able to turn it around when it comes to going from an idea to an actual physical product in your hand.

Kate 18:22
Yeah, that’s such a great question. Because if it’s a learning moment, every day, you’re an entrepreneur, and you’re bringing a product to market, but the world is not seen before. And you’ve never done it before. So I feel like there’s, there’s probably we’d have to have like 10 more podcasts, to talk about all those. And I and I almost always try to keep things positive. So I almost didn’t want to talk about some of them. Because I’m trying to keep it positive, keep it moving. Because it’s like, there’s always a problem to be solved. And I think that’s where it really helped me being a lawyer. And that there’s always a problem to be solved, and you try not to get hung up with it. But there is that kind of difference when it’s your baby, and it’s your thing, and you created it and you’re responsible for is, you know, to not take some of it personally or not to like beat yourself up about it. And I think like, there has definitely been moments where it’s like, okay, I hired this person to do that. And maybe I should have hired someone different, right? Or there was, you know, like, someone actually made a mistake on my project. And I won’t go into the super big details of it. But they made a mistake, they missed a deadline, which cost me a lot of money. And it cost me a lot of heartache trying to fix it. And so it’s just but it’s one of those things where you’re like, Okay, if some if some some of that didn’t happen, like I wouldn’t have learned this, or x or y or z. And so what I would say is instead of focusing on the problems, I would say focus on not beating yourself up about it because that’s where I fall into that trap as a mom as a woman and not to say everyone does That’s one of the things I do is like, I’m hard on myself. And I’ll beat myself up. And I’ll be like, why didn’t I know that then. But what I tried to just tell myself is you can’t know what you don’t know. You know, you can’t go back and change time that’s in the past. And all you can do is be like, grow from it, and be like, every day is going to be something to resolve. And I think, you know, unless you have a problem solver, attitude or your like, which a lot of moms do, right. I mean, I would say every mom has this problem solving attitude, like you can get through it. And if you just think of it positively, like knowing there’s gonna be hurdles, knowing there’s gonna be problems, and that every day is like a puzzle piece. Ready to be, you know, swapped out and put in the right place. I think, you know, you the big thing is mindset, the big thing is being positive. And the big thing is not beating yourself up when those problems occur, because they will, and they’ll keep coming.

Real Happy Mom 21:00
Yes, yes. And I think that can be applied to life in general, with a business and a product. So yes, I totally, totally agree.

Kate 21:10
And one thing I wanted to mention too, about when I was talking about the intuition, now, when you call your friend, she’s giving you probably tremendous amounts of support. Now, I had tremendous amounts of support from family, from friends, from even, you know, acquaintances, like people, I don’t even know, I that was invaluable to me. So I would say, guess, follow your intuition, but also take all the support you can get? Because you need it.

Real Happy Mom 21:35
Yes. And and I think that’s one thing. I’m glad that you brought that up, because a lot of times we see moms, and we’re like, oh my gosh, like, how does she, you know, get it done? How did she do it all, but you don’t see that there’s a team and there’s support. And there’s these people that are helping to make everything just go well. And a lot of times I think about that one conversation, I have this one mom, and I was telling her about, you know, the quote that’s like, Oh, you know, we all have the same 24 hours a day as Beyonce, and she quickly came back with, but we don’t all have the same team as Beyonce. And I was like Point taken. And that’s one thing that I wish that many moms would see, like, you know, if you really need a team of people, and whether it be like that tribe that you have, or your village of people that support you be. And I think that is so important that we talk more about that instead of trying to look like we’re super women, and we’re doing it all by ourselves. So thank you for sharing that.

Kate 22:30
Yes. And I really had to learn to ask for help, especially being a solo parent, being an only parent, you know, requires you to ask people for help. And that was really hard. For me, I’m kind of strong willed, I really don’t like asking for help. But this has really taught me that it’s okay to ask for help and to lean on people. And to ask for support. And, and not only ask for, but seek it out, like as a constant in your life. And like you saying, like, whether it’s your village, it’s your, you know, support system, either just personally or professionally, one that you’ve you’ve created and built. I think it always starts with that like Inner Light of ours, and but then it does really help to have those loving, amazing supportive people who just believe in you as a human to help when the times are rough, right? So that you can call your friend, you can call your girlfriend and you can, you know, commiserate and have that support. And the one thing I would just say is that don’t but pick carefully, you know, pick the people who aren’t going to judge or that people aren’t going to, you know, be like I told you so like those those. Those are not the people you call, well, you’re having a rough day, you know, like you don’t pick the tried and true people who are really there for you and love you no matter what just you know, give you that lift.

Real Happy Mom 23:47
Yes, definitely. And I wanted to switch gears really quick and talk about palette by pack because I don’t know if I told you this, but I was an environmental science major. So I love that. Sustainability is one thing that is important. And I was just wondering, why for you that having a sustainable product is so important to you.

Kate 24:07
Well, first of all, what don’t you do? That’s amazing. Um, you know, and this was another thing like how I could see so clearly in my mind the image of the high fiber. I could also just really intuitively feel like this needed to be sustainable. And that we really needed to embody the reduce, reuse, recycle. Like if I was going to bring forth like a smart beauty tool that was meant to be washed and reuse, you can skip the minis skip the tiny travel bottles, take your beauty on the go, you know, take what you have takeaway you love all while saving time and money. You know, I felt like I had to also do it really thoughtful from the front to the back. And so not only are we eliminating waste by skipping the tiny plastics and I didn’t realize this but anything smaller than a credit is very unlikely to get recycled. Not to mention if we have mixed materials, different types of plastics, you know, that is a whole nother whole nother conversation. So suffice it to say that those little plastics, which I always was such an optimist, it was like, Oh, I got to figure out how to recycle this little mini dropper bottle, and then you realize, okay, that is never getting recycled. You know, it’s even concerning if the full size is getting recycled, let alone the little mini or the travel size. And so we really made such a huge effort that, okay, we’re really going down this path of eliminate eliminating waste and reusing this beauty tool, like you would a water bottle or coffee cup, but just in the beauty, you know, realm. So why not, you know, think of what everything else we could possibly do to make this sustainable. And so I was hell bent on using recycled plastics. And a lot of people did not like that idea. It’s not very easy, but we did it. So we have 30%. Right now with a big goal of getting to 100% we ship in a post consumer waste paper tube. So we don’t use any secondary packaging, no boxes, like, if you order from us, you won’t see any, you know, bubble wrap, or extra tissue or even packing slips, because we really feel like, none of that is necessary, we sent you an email, you know, you’re gonna email us back, we can skip that whole paper drill. And then we ship in 100%, recycled from trash envelopes, you know, so that people know that I can just put this in the paper recycling bin and my envelopes getting, you know, and or you can compost it. Same with the packaging. So, you know, a lot of you know, and it’s way more expensive to do a lot of these things, and it but I’ve just really intuitively felt so strongly that if I was going to put my energy into this, that I wanted to do it in a way that resounded with me in a way that I was proud of, and then in a way that just intuitively felt right. And I really do think that’s where the world is going and needs to go. And so many of the larger companies are struggling with this right now. And and I didn’t even realize that when I was developing, you know, I hadn’t really thought about what the beauty world was doing, you know, with sustainability are refillable goals. And so I just happen to kind of intersect this moment where a lot of bigger companies are struggling and trying to figure out what to do. And here, you know, because I was a startup founder, I could just do what I wanted from the get go and set it in motion the way that I thought was the best and most resounding way with me and the world. And it just so happens that, you know, a lot of companies are actually really working on that right now. Which is good. But I feel lucky that this for me just from an intuitive place. This is where I started.

Real Happy Mom 27:39
Yes. And I love, love, love everything that you’re just talking about that. It was Yeah, that was good. You just made my little tree heart happy.

Real Happy Mom 27:48
Excited.

Real Happy Mom 27:50
I love everything that you’re doing and how things are going. But I was just wondering what are some of the things that we can expect to see in the future from Pallet bipac?

Kate 27:59
Well, I am just getting started. So I have a whole line of innovations and products lined up to be released by pal bipac. But first I want to see the world own appellate the original high fiber, you know that this becomes like a reusable water bottle, you know, you know, then someone’s gym kit, this also becomes sort of like their beauty reusable in their makeup kit. And that whenever they’re going, you know, on an overnight, or even to the beach or just in their car or the gym, let alone a trip or weekend away or road trip that they’re like I don’t need to search or buy those tiny plastics, most minis those travel bottles, I am just going to grab my high fiber, fill it with the beauty products that I have already invested a lot of money and spent time curating. And I’m just going to fill this and go. And so that’s that is what I am really probably the most excited about.

Real Happy Mom 28:59
Yes, that is so awesome. Now, before we signed up, I just wanted you to give us either a motivational quote, or some words of encouragement for us Real Happy Mom.

Kate 29:08
Oh, I love that so much. I love the phrase, anything is possible. And it’s very simple. And it’s very short. And that’s why I love it. Because it’s like anytime you’re feeling down, or anytime you’re questioning yourself, or anytime it just feels like something is impossible. That is what I say to myself is anything is possible. And it’s so funny because it’ll just immediately turn my mood around, it will immediately stop my mind from running. And I really can ground myself and be like, you’re right. Anything, anything is possible because it’s true. Anything truly is possible. And I think if you start from that place and remind yourself because your mind likes to kind of interject and you know, okay, you gotta have that inner critic or inner voice. And I think if you use that mantra or use that kind of you know, quote, you’re saying to yourself or even others You know, I think with kids I use it a lot with my kids. Oh, come on anything is possible anything. And then they’ll be like you’re right. Right You know, so I just think it’s a really great go to for life.

Real Happy Mom 30:11
Yes and amen to that one. I love it. Love it. Now okay if we are listening and we want to either get pallet bipac or just learn more about you and what you’re up to where can we find you online?

Kate 30:24
Yes, I would love to chat with you. Reach out. So pallet by packs. Our website is www dot pallet buy pack.com all of our Instagram and social media channels are at palette by pack. And then my Instagram is most beautiful, darling. Because I love the E Cummings poem. I love the most beautiful darling. It’s like one of my favorite poems,

Real Happy Mom 30:52
amaze knave and our T shirts include all of those links in the show notes. So yes, Kate, thank you so much for coming on and sharing all this with us. This was so good and I really really appreciate it.

Kate 31:04
Oh, no, thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me such such a treat.

Real Happy Mom 31:10
Now that does it for this week’s episode to find the links in the show notes make sure you head over to Happy Mom comm slash 101 there you’ll find a complete blog post as well as the links that Kate mentioned in this week’s episode and do me a favor rate and review this episode. This lets me know that I am providing you some awesome episodes that actually how big and it actually makes you feel so good. So leave me a rating and review on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast episodes. And make sure you stay tuned for next week for another episode. And I will see you then take care and with that said love

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